BKV: It’s a good combination. As you’ve taken on these increasingly senior positions, have you had to give up anything – any part of yourself – or put something aside?
BK: Yes, I have definitely had to postpone plans, especially those of an academic nature. They have had to be less intense and sometimes delayed, because running a university requires not only a significant time commitment but also an intellectual one. This conflicts with academic work, particularly in the humanities, where research primarily involves reading, writing, interpreting, and analyzing. At the moment, I am not able to balance these aspects in a satisfactory way, so my scientific ideas will have to wait for a while.
BKV: Running a university undoubtedly requires decisiveness and firmness, the qualities often stereotypically associated with masculinity. Yet, when I look at you, I see that you manage to maintain your femininity as well and that everything seems to be in balance.
BK: That’s good to hear. However, I don’t believe we need to shed certain qualities when we take on a new role. Quite the opposite. Of course, some things need to be learned, but we reach where we are primarily because of who we are. Therefore, we shouldn’t radically change if the qualities we represent have helped us get to this point. In any case, I’ve decided that I don’t want to change my behavior. I am certainly firm when I need to be, but I am also someone who is very open to conversation, willing to listen to others’ opinions, and capable of balancing these aspects.
When something really needs to be resolved – when we have to cut the Gordian knot – firmness is necessary. But the ability and willingness to negotiate, reach a common position, and listen to advice are also invaluable in this role. So, I believe there’s no need to give up qualities that are stereotypically seen as feminine. That said, I know many women who are much firmer than the men I know. This kind of distinction doesn’t always need to be made.
BKV: You support policies promoting equal opportunities. The 'When Science is a Woman project' was launched at AMU in 2018 thanks to your initiative as Vice-Rector at the time. Together with another Vice-Rector, Professor Beata Mikołajczyk, you led the team that implemented this programme over the following years. How do you assess it in retrospect? Did it achieve the expected results? Has it raised awareness within the university community?
BK: I believe this initiative has led to significant changes. When we launched the project, we aimed to explore how social roles affect women’s careers in academia, and whether our university supports the development of those careers. On the one hand, we wanted to highlight the achievements of con- temporary female researchers and shed light on the contributions of those who have shaped the history of our university, often uncovering their little-known accomplishments. On the other hand, we sought to present the university as a place that is welcoming and supportive of women’s aspirations. After all, the first honorary doctorate in the history of our university was awarded to Marie Skłodowska-Curie.
In just a few years, we have undertaken numerous initiatives, many of which have involved our colleagues at various levels. We established the 'Women’s Laboratory', which welcomes both experienced female researchers and those at the start of their academic careers, including PhD students involved in research projects, as well as administrative staff who support the work of scientists. In this space, we showcase the university’s 'best practices' for balancing research and teaching with other responsibilities, such as motherhood and childcare.
We also emphasize the commitments made by the university and demonstrate how they are being fulfilled through the implementation of the HR in Research Charter and the European Charter for Researchers. We introduce female researchers to various available opportunities, including scholarships, grants, and other resources. A key feature of the 'Women’s Lab' is the discussion sessions, where we listen to the needs of our female colleagues and gather suggestions for new initiatives through direct conversations at several 'thematic tables'.
We have organized multiple conferences, including at science faculties, where representatives from various scientific disciplines participated and engaged in interdisciplinary discussions on selected issues. Additionally, we conducted a series of equality surveys focusing on bullying and harassment, aimed at assessing the self-perception of women working at our university. Moreover, we created a special 2024 calendar to highlight the presence of women in science across all fields, featuring individual biographies of female scientists. In the main building of the university, we named a large lecture hall after Professor Ludwika Dobrzyńska-Rybicka, one of the first female researchers at the University of Poznań and the second woman in Poland to be awarded the rank of associate professor. We also organized a series of exhibitions that not only celebrated our scientists but also honoured outstanding women in the arts and culture.