ZM: Yes, it is about the sacrificial lamb… Jesus now becomes this lamb, martyred and crucified, although, of course, in accordance with what you said, already highly commercialized and often ‘washed out’ of its spiritual depth in today’s holiday practice. This lamb is a completely different being. With no sacrificial features, just gentleness, whiteness, hominess… It is pastoral, idyllic, right? Here, however, it was precisely about the commemoration of the Exodus and – until the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 CE – eating the lamb during the Seder supper and so on. For Christians, on the other hand, Christ is the sacrificial Lamb, ‘the Lamb who takes away the sins of the world’. However, the Gospel message is no longer a pure message from apostolic times but is already filtered through the later experiences of Christians, through the growing sense of separateness, difference from what is Jewish over time. Yes, it is still the Feast of Unleavened Bread, but – as early Christian authors emphasize – it is now ‘ours’.
In the case of Easter, if we are to take it seriously, our thoughts revolve around those basic elements that I mentioned in the dispute about when to celebrate Easter. So should we focus on death or on the Resurrection? Both Western Christianity, Catholic or Protestant, in its basic trends, and Orthodox Christianity, Eastern, strongly emphasize the act of Resurrection. Yes, especially the Eastern one, it has always deeply moved me… all the more so because Polish Catholicism is rather Christmas oriented [laughs], a bit unorthodox in a way. So we prefer to immerse ourselves in the joy of Christmas and its inherent joys and delights, in its light and in its hope – forgetting that Christmas as a holiday also carries within itself the signs of the suffering and death of Jesus and his resurrection. Each of the important Christian holidays tells this story, for that matter.
In Eastern Orthodoxy, it is very visible when there’s this knocking with a cross on the gate: it is somewhat akin to opening the tomb of Jesus, a liturgical reconstruction of pulling away Christ’s tombstone. On the other hand, there is also the epitaphios, which is connected with the memory of death because it is a shroud…
JM: I know that Easter traditions also have pagan elements.